REBLOG THIS POST IF YOU FEEL SAFER WHEN QUEER SPACES ARE OPENLY ACCEPTING OF AMAB NONBINARY PEOPLE
btw if you find yourself dehumanizing any person or group for any reason you've already lost
ALTwell if you are dehumanizing rapists or other scumbags then you are dehumanizing a person or group. so, you’ve lost.
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What, so we SHOULD allow rapists and other partakers of horrible crime (mostly of the sexual type, btw, is the sort of thing I had in mind under "other scumbags") to partake in society and not be treated like the trash they are? (castration and exile)
I'm just
I get it, we shouldn't dehumanize anyone over stupid things (race, sex, etc)
but I think it's fair game for those who gleefully partake in abominations and other such acts God hates
Actually, I take that back.
I shouldn't assume what sorts of things God hates because the things Jacob did to his daughter after she was raped was horrible and I'd certainly hate him. But God still provided His protection to him and still punished the two sons who went and killed the village responsible (I forget the name of the two sons sorry).
So I guess my issue is moreso; why do you find it disagreeable that I would hate a group of people that rape? Because that is why I would dehumanize them, out of hate for their sinful acts and you consider that "losing" for some reason.
See here but essentially:
I do not want to live in your society, where the state or the community or whatever has the authority to torture and mutilate people it decrees worthy. It is terrifying. It will not be good to people.
Every act of dehumanization starts from good intentions. How many Jewish people have been called rats while they were murdered, because they gleefully took in the abomination of (drinking children's blood/killing Christ/ruling the world)? How many gay people have been castrated for their sinful act of preying on children (talking about being gay to a kid) & assaulting straight people (doing anything that could come off as flirting)?
"But those aren't actually harmful-"
Once you have taken the punitive mindset, and you believe that violence is justice, it does not matter. You will torture people who genuinely hurt others. And you will torture people who got fucked over because people wanted to see them suffer. Your system is not so holy and perfect that it will not be used by a mean, bigoted person to hurt others.
You think Puritans never sent a rapist to the noose? You think no one who abused a child was ever burned at the stakes, right next to all the queer people and Jews and "people with land their neighbor wants"? How many "innocents" have been violently tortured and murdered right alongside the guilty? You think any of that did a single iota to actually create a safer, more loving society?
Additionally, see this article, specifically:
4. Perpetrator/Survivor is a False Dichotomy
There is an intense moral dynamic in social justice culture that tends to separate people into binaries of “right” and “wrong.”
To be a perpetrator of oppression or violence is highly stigmatized, while survivorhood may be oddly fetishized in ways that objectify and intensify stories of trauma.
“Perpetrators” are considered evil and unforgivable, while “survivors” are good and pure, yet denied agency to define themselves.
Among the many problems of this dynamic is the fact that it obscures the complex reality that many people are both survivors and perpetrators of violence (though violence, of course, exists within a wide spectrum of behaviors).
Within a culture of disposability – whether it be the criminal justice system of the state or community practices of exiling people – the perpetrator/survivor dichotomy is useful because it appears to make things easier. It helps us make decisions about who to punish and who to pity.
But punishment and pity have very little to do with revolutionary change or relationship-building.
What punishment and pity have in common is that they’re both dehumanizing.
This punitive mindset will hurt victims of violence. There is no question. You cannot divide the world into "good, deserving victims who can be forgiven" and "evil, inhuman violaters who can never change."
This is the mindset of fascists. You are not such a better person than them that you would never support a genocide. Because once you have dehumanzied any person or any group, you have already lost.
I entirely understand why you feel that way.
I am not telling you that you have to agree with me, but since you brought up "'actually you SHOULDNT feel like that’ vibes" I'd like to add this quote from the first link:
It’s not surprising that people want bloody revenge today. Capitalist profiteering is rapidly rendering the planet uninhabitable. US Border Patrol is kidnapping, drugging, and imprisoning children. Individual acts of racist and misogynist violence occur regularly. For many people, daily life is increasingly humiliating and disempowering.
Those who don’t desire revenge because they are not compassionate enough to be outraged about injustice or because they are simply not paying attention deserve no credit for this. There is less virtue in apathy than in the worst excesses of vengefulness.
Do I want to take revenge on the police officers who murder people with impunity, on the billionaires who cash in on exploitation and gentrification, on the bigots who harass and dox people? Yes, of course I do. They have killed people I knew; they are trying to destroy everything I love. When I think about the harm that they are causing, I feel ready to break their bones, to kill them with my bare hands.
But that desire is distinct from my politics. I can want something without having to reverse-engineer a political justification for it. I can want something and choose not to pursue it, if I want something else even more—in this case, an anarchist revolution that is not based in revenge. I don’t judge other people for wanting revenge, especially if they have been through worse than I have. But I also don’t confuse that desire with a proposal for liberation.
When you are traumatized, it will always be harder to get into this mindset of restorative justice. I do not blame you. But it is important to me that you understand that this is very much not about controlling how you feel about your abuser; it is about not letting our desires and impulses be the basis of our society, especially because punitive justice is not helpful for victims (and we cannot divide people into victims who never perpetrate and perpetrators who are never victims).
If you are interested in this subject, you might consider reading the article Navigating Justice For Sexual Abuse Survivors When You’re A Prison Abolitionist And A Survivor by Joshua Briond. You may not be able to fully agree with it, but it written by a survivor of sexual abuse & there are many other survivors who are heavily involved in transformative/restorative justice whose takes you may find more compelling (the website, Transform Harm, has many articles on this subject).
Kinda ironic considering the people that think trans rights are an elite anglo invention
Ronny D posting MPREG fics on main.
look, not to be a downer, but... why are we making omegaverse jokes about this.
this article is about how Ron DeSantis is leveraging people's hatred for trans men to fundraise for his presidential campaign:
DeSantis has leaned heavily into the culture war issues — which have become central to his campaign — such as the repeated emails mocking the idea of men getting pregnant. Some transgender men do become pregnant. DeSantis also sent more emails mentioning “woke” than any other candidate.
I know people love "haha omegaverse" jokes but. I REALLY need people to realize that its a microagression against trans men. Pregnant men can face extreme amounts of transphobia, and are in a highly vulnerable situation, and they are being used as a symbol of wokeness by Florida's fascist wannabe. And it makes me upset to see other trans people seeming to not take this seriously.
Like. ask yourselves why "pregnant men" immediately conjures jokes and absurdity to you, instead of real people that exist and who Ron DeSantis hates? When you see "pregnant man" and your first thoughts are omegaverse porn and "cis men getting pregnant," you are also mocking the idea of men getting pregnant. And you do so while erasing trans men from the conversation. You make male pregnancy into an absurdist joke about cis men instead of a reality for trans men.
There doesn't seem to be a single person in the notes of this post who has mentioned trans men. Its just jokes about heat suppressants. People acted shocked and bewildered by the idea of a pregnant man. On "the trans website." That fucking hurts.
A pregnant trans man was very recently on the cover of a magazine & received a ton of backlash. Pregnant men are accused of child abuse & child molestation for simply being a trans father, and I've seen many people specifically say that trans fathers who have been/are on T will "poison" their children. Ignorance about men being pregnant can have real fatal consequences. Transphobia make it a traumatizing process. Pregnant trans men face workplace discrimination. Trans men who are pregnant are in heavy contact with the transphobic medical system which leaves them extremely vulnerable to abuse. This doesn't even get into trans men and abortion access. There are already people who think pregnant trans men need to have their children taken away. Ron DeSantis is using them specifically to foster hatred and get money. This is serious.
I cannot feel safe around people for whom "pregnant man" is nothing but an absurdist punchline. It hurts to see other trans people erasing transmascs from the discussion, especially when this article is SPECIFICALLY about how DeSantis is emailing people to say "hey, don't you think pregnant "men" are delusional and a threat to American society? Me too! Give me money so I can terrorize them via the government!" This is not the first time I've seen people do this with pregnant men (immediately jumping to "haha pregnant cis men!! omegaverse!!" jokes without even mentioning trans men at all. Even though we are men that can and do get pregnant. In real life. And are abused for it) but its the first time I've seen it done in response to a very clear act of targeted anti-transmasculinity, and this. Hurts.
I don't know how y'all think you can combat transphobia if you can't take seriously the issue of male pregnancy. Because transphobes are clearly very interesting in using pregnant men as a weapon, and I would hope y'all would step up for them. We have to acknowledge that the "haha thats so weird and absurd and gross!!!" response to male pregnancy is transphobic and it hurts trans men a lot.
You know what? Yeah. These are excellent points, and I am sorry and feel genuinely bad about this.
I think being surrounded by transphobia so constantly has sort of caused my brain to need even just a second of relief by mocking the people who have been leading the large scale societal violence against us, but this wasn't what I should have done. I thought it was direced at my oppressor, but in my clouded judgement I accidentally hurt my brothers.
I shouldn't have - as a trans woman - stepped out of my lane to make this kind of joke without considering the impact on trans men or trans masc people. It was a cheap joke that engaged in transandrophobia.
I understood DeSantis was talking about trans men, but I went for the 1 second of relief and ended up throwing trans masc people, people I deeply care about as a part of my community, under the bus in my carelessness. I'm sorry.
Also thank you @genderkoolaid I know I'm not directly reblogging you, I'm including both replies because those both illustrate really well what happened.
Thank you ♥️ I really appreciate your apology.
I love "i would kill for you" ship dynamics but what about "i would stop killing" ship dynamic??
I would lay down my sword for you. I would change my nature and go against everything i've known. I would resist the easy way out of solving my problems. I would give up the adrenaline of battle to stay by your side and make tea instead. I'm not sure I know who I am without a weapon in my hand because I've had to fight for so long but for you I'm willing to try and figure this out.
It must be hard. To put down your weapon that's protected you for so long. It's allowed you to stay alive it's kept you from getting hurt--physically and mentally. Because you've never had to worry about a real relationship if you think you'll be dead at the next battle. And you feel naked without it and it feels like you're ripping off an extension of yourself. Are you even whole without it? Are you worthy of being loved if you can't prove it by risking your life? And yet they've found someone who's asking them for something much harder than dying in battle on their behalf. They've found someone who wants them to live. And that's much more terrifying.
im expecting a lot of "pride month is over, now it's time for wrath month" posts. that's cool and all. but july is disability pride month.
pride month is when you're SUPPOSED to be angry. it's a celebration AND a riot. that was the best time to get angry. second best time is now. but it's not wrath month. let disabled people have this.
please get angry with us. please fight with us! we are both losing our rights, if we ever even had them to begin with. please don't talk over us, especially during our own pride month.
did you know over 10,000 people die a year while waiting to be told whether or not they can receive disability benefits?
did you know while being provided disability benefits, disabled people cannot have more than $2,000 total in their bank account? the average rent for an apartment in the united states, as of last month, is $1,995. per month.
while they want to kill queer people, they want to kill disabled people just as bad. please look out for your disabled friends and family. please look out for those of us who don't have friends and family. those of us who are out on the streets.
Look, with very few exceptions no one sets out with the intention of being a shitty abusive parent. A lot of shitty parents think they're doing it right. A lot of shitty parents think they're doing their best. A lot of shitty parents think that abusive shit they do is not really abusive and for the greater good of their child.
A lot of shitty parents love their kids, and would die for them, but they can still be abusive and shitty parents because they do shit they learned from their parents and don't pause a moment to think they may be doing it wrong because "I love my kid, abusive parents don't love their kids, so I can't be an Abusive Parent, not me, I'm good". A lot of shitty parents have their good moments, their good sides, and their kids can love them for it and then be doubly hurt when the good moment ends and things are shitty again.
Shitty parents are complicated people, the kids they raise are complicated people, and human relationships as a whole are a complex hot mess. There is not one right or wrong way to respond to abuse or choose how to handle the relationship to a shitty parent. No we don't wanna hear how you'd personally handle it in our shoes. You're not in our shoes. STFU.
BTW this is not some weird defense of shitty and abusive parents but for Christ's sake, this attitude that Shitty Parents - either real or fictional - are monsters out of a scary story who are contractually obliged to be shitty 100% of the time, all around, in every aspect of their lives, is actually harmful. It's untrue. It's stupid. It will lead kids of Shitty Parents to think that well, THEIR parents are not 100% evil and dastardly all the time, therefore they're not Actually Abusive, I must be exaggerating.
Shitty parents are not old school Disney villains breaking into song about how they love to do evil deeds to hurt their own children. They're people. Learn to tell the two things apart, for fuck's sake.
